tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post113353083045301423..comments2024-03-26T15:57:13.443+00:00Comments on On An Overgrown Path: Are 'deep links' theft?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133684389896948172005-12-04T08:19:00.000+00:002005-12-04T08:19:00.000+00:00I think you might have the redeeming feature of at...I think you might have the redeeming feature of at least citing your sources which, according to an about.com site on Blogs and Copyright, indicate that you have a stronger "fair use" defense than others who simply lift the entire piece with nary a word about where it first appeared (and, hence, giving the impression that it was their own 'intellectual property'). You also added some commentary which can be construed as an intent to "fair use". The About.com expert on intellectual property and the web (an Aussie lawyer) seemed to think that you are, at worse, likely to get a polite request to remove something from your blog rather than a virtual goat's heart nailed to your door and threats of financial ruin.<BR/><BR/>Another shufti on copyright and obituaries came up with references on rootsweb.com about such things being, indeed, protected by copyright because the newspapers consider them their intellectual property as they usually do the assemblage of the facts into readable text (though it escapes me how one can point to "He was an avid bowler" as something they should voraciously protect from unwarranted use). But at the end of the day, they haven't the time to even look for infringement problems, let alone prosecute them. I think it is lax here in the States since anyone can imagine that obits are photocopied and distributed widely without someone buying additional newspapers and providing the paper with the requisite 'royalties'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133590215792625432005-12-03T06:10:00.000+00:002005-12-03T06:10:00.000+00:00Oddly enough, I found your site because you used a...Oddly enough, I found your site because you used a cartoon of Bach I'd drawn. Since you asked, I prefer that people ask for permission to use my work, or at least notify me that they're using it and give me the opportunity to object. That said, I like your blog quite a bit, and saw that you credited and linked back to me, so no problem here. If you use something in the future, just let me know. It's not uncommon for my clients to buy the exclusive right to an image, the only exception to which is that it can appear in my online portfolio. In a case like that, I'd have to ask you to find something else. I'm sure this is the case for many other illustrators and photographers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133562882691540612005-12-02T22:34:00.000+00:002005-12-02T22:34:00.000+00:00Quite amusingly the words Nice try, image thief ha...Quite amusingly the words <B>Nice try, image thief</B> have been removed from the Knightmare message since this post was uploaded.<BR/><BR/><I>'Politeness is to human nature what warmth is to wax.'</I><BR/><BR/>Arthur SchopenhauerPliablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616598845886342325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133557496182931382005-12-02T21:04:00.000+00:002005-12-02T21:04:00.000+00:00AFAIAA hot linking means publishing on your site w...AFAIAA hot linking means publishing on your site without permission an image (or other material) belonging to another. So yes, it is certainly a breach of copyright - rude <B>and</B> illegal.<BR/><BR/>It is after all easy enough to ask the site owner for permission (and IME few will demur).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133556173631892812005-12-02T20:42:00.000+00:002005-12-02T20:42:00.000+00:00Hot-linking is always legal but rude, Copying and ...Hot-linking is always legal but rude, Copying and self-posting is polite but illegal. Chances are that the technical illegality of the latter would not stand in court, even in Timbuktu... so it is better to be polite than careful. Apart from the mentioned bandwidth issue, you also have control over the images, less trouble with dead links and faster load-times.jflhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03017753357752263113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133551548039241072005-12-02T19:25:00.000+00:002005-12-02T19:25:00.000+00:00Pliable linked to an image on my wife's sculpture ...Pliable linked to an image on my wife's sculpture site in this manner, and of course we were grateful, despite any etiquette issue others may have with the practise.<BR/><BR/>The bandwidth question is valid, however I disagree that the Knightmare tack was "quite polite". "Relatively polite", perhaps. "Nice try, image thief" is both presumptuous and unnecessarily rude. <BR/><BR/>The use of technology to override the link is sufficient. As for the message, how about, "Please do not link directly to our images. Thank you." <BR/><BR/>Always be a <I>mensch</I>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133549658894939512005-12-02T18:54:00.000+00:002005-12-02T18:54:00.000+00:00Tim is right - the issue is largely one of bandwid...Tim is right - the issue is largely one of bandwidth. There are two main problems. By displaying someone else's image on your site, you are displaying it divorced from its original context. This almost certainly doesn't apply to your use of images, but imagine if someone's photograph of their black friend or child was used in a racist and defamatory context on a neo-Nazi website.<BR/><BR/>Second, people have to pay for bandwidth, and your site might (probably does!) have much higher traffic than theirs. In the worst case, if your site has a massive spike in traffic, they might get a huge bill. The situation isn't under their control, nor do they get any direct benefits from people visiting their site (which might bring in ad revenue, prestige, or whatever).<BR/><BR/>The difference between text links and deep links of images is that in the first case, their page isn't loaded every time your page loads (so no bandwidth use unless someone actually follows the link), and when the link is followed, the visitor sees the content in the original context. Plus the site owner gets any side benefits of those visitors, rather than you.<BR/><BR/>To cut a long story short, the etiquette is never to deep link, unless it is specifically sanctioned (as is the case with <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/" REL="nofollow">flickr</A>). The image replacement from Knightmare is actually quite polite - some people substitute very unpleasant images for deep linkers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133541384596424852005-12-02T16:36:00.000+00:002005-12-02T16:36:00.000+00:00I appreciate the guidance Tim, but am not sure tha...I appreciate the guidance Tim, but am not sure that I follow.<BR/><BR/>How can I be stealing someone else's bandwidth when all I am doing is using it for the purpose it was put there - accessing their image?<BR/><BR/>What is the difference between an image link and a text link? - they both use a third party's bandwidth.Pliablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10616598845886342325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8060605.post-1133534625567862712005-12-02T14:43:00.000+00:002005-12-02T14:43:00.000+00:00Hot linking is discouraged because you are taking ...Hot linking is discouraged because you are taking someone else’s bandwidth.<BR/><BR/>Copying the image really is theft.<BR/><BR/>Not sure if there is an actual answer other than not to useother’s images.Tim Worstallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13161727860817121071noreply@blogger.com